On Truth and Kinda Truth, Part 2: Objective v. Subjective Perception of Truth
July 23, 2007 by Brad
From the Gospel Coalition’s Website:
“We affirm that truth is correspondence to reality. We believe the Holy Spirit who inspired the words of the apostles and prophets also indwells us so that we who have been made in the image of God can receive and understand the words of Scripture revealed by God, and grasp that Scripture’s truths correspond to reality. The statements of Scripture are true, precisely because they are God’s statements, and they correspond to reality even though our knowledge of those truths (and even our ability to verify them to others) is always necessarily incomplete. The Enlightenment belief in thoroughly objective knowledge made an idol out of unaided human reason. But to deny the possibility of purely objective knowledge does not mean the loss of truth that corresponds to objective reality, even if we can never know such truth without an element of subjectivity. See CS-(2).”
There are a couple things that are very important to point out in this first answer.
- They acknowledge the “idolotry” of claiming to be able to objectively know truth.
- Yet they affirm objective truth exists, that we are able to know and interact with subjectively.
- This subjective interaction does NOT incapacitate us from truly knowing the reality and truthexpressed in scripture.
I’ve found this very interesting, as I’ve realized recently how I have erred on the side of modernism (objective knowledge of truth), and this is illustrated in some of the ways I’ve tried to defend a contextualized interpretation of Adam, Eve, and the Fall over at De-Conversion. Just last week, my Greek in exegesis professor was explaining that scripture is “organic,” and was never meant to be a scientific legal defense against “untruth.” Instead, as with the synoptic gospels, it is truth as view through the human eyes and human communication of its authors through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. If it were objective writing, we would see events of scripture with a bird’s eye view, through some kind of heavenly trinitarian language. As humans, we cannot help but see truth through our own eyes, culture, minds, perspecitve, and sinfulness. ONLY with the help of the Holy Spirit will these truths be illuminated.
The huge benefit of this realization, is that scripture is “multi-perspectival” (a Driscoll term) . Each of the synoptic gospels were written by different people, addressing different topics and questions, for the benefit of very different audiences. Matthew was written by a Jewish Tax Collector to a Jewish audience, and primarily concerned himself with Christ as the fullfillment of Messianic Prophecy. Luke was a gentile physician writing to other gentiles, and had a lot of focus on parables and healings. John wrote to (most likely) the church at Antioch, who struggled with gnostic heresies making its way through the congregation, thus John writes in a very clear, distinct, and almost rythmic style to directly confront those heresies. They all concern the same events, but are through th perspectives of different people through the Holy Spirit. Does this make them any less true? Not at all, it simply means that different aspects of the same events appealed and attracted different types of people. Something can be true without independently being the whole truth.
In the same way, 4 referees calling a football game may have seen the same penalty very differently, yet their perception does not change the objectivite reality of what happened. When they come into dispute with each other over the specifics, they come together, figure out what each others’ viewpoint is, what they saw, and then put together the whole picture from the different accounts. The problem with the modernist view of scripture, is that it treats each referee (or gospel) as the objective truth, and not a subjective narrative of objective truth. This makes apparent paradoxes or inconsistencies very difficult to explain, that otherwise were only meant to illustrate different aspects of the same event, reality, or truth.
This is an area of textual criticism that I am very new to, and look forward to explore what it means that scripture is “organic.” It is both paradigm-shifting, and encouraging, as the implications for ministry (particularly post-modern relevance) are huge.
EDIT: On a side note, Phillip over at Agkrya just wrote an excellent post about the atheistic comparison of belief in the Flying Spaghetti Monster to belief in God. The post is excellent, very relevant to this topic, and very intelligently concise. The 2 comments posted so far are also very sontructive and clarifying on this whole issue of being able to objectively perceive truth.



brad
every time i read your stuff, i am shocked. because i keep thinking i was the one who wrote it and not you. anyway, good post. i really agree with your pts and have had God reprimand me for being overly “modernist”/”humanist”.
for your interest, let me know what you think of my parable of two old men at this http://merehumanity.wordpress.com/book/a-call-to-faith/ part of my book (a book i am writing on the internet), i think its quite related.
peter
This is very interesting……
There’s a most excellent play that handles the subject of objective truth very well. In it, we see two storylines unfold. One story is the story of two researchers at a very old historic British Manor house. They are trying to reconstruct a series of events that occurred there two hundred years ago.
The other story is that of what happened at the same manor 200 years ago.
These two scholars, using a whole range of evidence and other expert opinions and a variety of books, journals, ledgers, and so on, hit what they eventually come to believe as the hard truth.
but we see in the other storyline (the story of what actually happened) that they are very very far from the truth.
the play is called “Arcadia,” it is written by Tom Stoppard, and this aspect of it is a treatise on objective truth, I think (the play itself touches on entropy, history, thermodynamics, chaos theory, relativism, 18th century poetry, theoretical physics, and botany).
Stoppard makes a strong case for the view that we can never know absolute truth, because not only are our points of view skewed, but because even evidence that appears conclusive may not be.
Peter,
Hehe, I knew I liked reading your stuff for a reason.
I will most definitely check out the related chapter. I feel a little lacking in this subject area, as it was the Modernist appeal that helped satisfy the “empirical” or “factual” doubts I had in coming to Christ.
Kyle,
An excellent comparison. I think I have somehow heard of that play. It sounds very familiar anyway. Is he a modern author (not in the cultural sense, but the chronological)?
The only thing I would add to it to connect the illustration is that the actors in this past event each left a written account of their perspectives and the event that took place. This is of utmost importance because Stoppard is (or at least seems to be) making the point that even with the “evidence” we cannot know truth. While I agree that we cannot know the whole, unadultured or unaltered truth 100%, I do argue that we can “truly” know objective truth based on the subjective perpectives of those who wrote it and those who read it (both the original audience and ourselves).
If you look at all the world’s religions, only Judaism, Christianity, and Islam even CLAIM that God directly revealed (through inspired authorship and/or prophecy) “truth” to them in scripture. WIthout getting into a comparison/contrast with the other two, Christianity has the additional benefit of having communication given to us by God in a language we can understand. Jut the simple fact that God has chosen to reveal Himself to us in this way is evidence that He EXPECTS us to engage it relationally and subjectively (to whatever degree).
I had class again last night, and this topic came up yet again. The point our professor made was that it is a crime to view the bible as ibjective truth as opposed to many subjective viewings of the truth. “Objectivity” implies a cold hardness of fact, while the reality is that it is meant to pull on our hearts, develop bonds with our Creator, and attach to us in many more ways than JUST the logical empirical sense. It’s kind of refreshing really…
Yes, this Gospel Coalition statement is sounding pretty good. Another area in which the objective/subjective polarity comes into play is in systematic theology. The scholastic tradition in theology studies God and his attributes in a way that really objectifies him, whereas I think it’s important for us to remember that when God reveals something of himself to us in creation or Scripture, it’s not his “pure being” that he is somehow revealing, but himself as he relates to us and the world he has made. We’re not meant to know him “in himself” (whatever that means) but as he has revealed himself to us, that is personally and inter-subjectively. I was talking with some friends about that just this morning!
Wow… That is some deep stuff. I imagine that has some interesting ways to be played out, and has some pretty cool implications for how we talk about God and present Him to others.
So would you say then, that God is revealing His relational attributes to us, rather than the “bird’s eye view” of who He is?
For whatever reason, probably because of my own modernistic upbringing, I’m having trouble wrapping my mind around this…
Crazy how we (people in general) can just “happen” to be on the same page sometimes.
Yes, the bird’s-eye-view is a good way to put it. I think God is not giving us a bird’s-eye-view of himself. But, as my friend pointed out this morning, when God says that he is unchanging, he is telling us something true about himself. In other words, there is a bird’s-eye sense in which God just is unchanging, but at the same time, I think he intends us to understand that primarily as it relates to the people he is talking to, and not as an attribute considered in the abstract. I’ll have to think about this some more … !
http://ltpalculict.wordpress.com/2007/07/24/a-great-deception-in-the-21st-century-christian-skepticism-comments-on-a-debate-in-this-blog-site/#comment-3820
Hey dude,
love your writing. What do you think about the above article? It relates in some ways to this post, but was wondering what you thought about it.
John
Agkyra,
So, in a nutshell, our subjective perspective does not preclude an objective truth. In the same way that an artist paints a scene on canvas, his perspective and portrayal of it does not mean that it does not objectively exist apart from his painting. I love it. Let me know what else you discover in your thinking! Like I said, I feel this has huge implications for how we speak about God in general, but particularly to the postmodern culture…
John,
A very good post. The first thing that came to mind was:
Truth without love is abuse.
Love without truth is neglect.
Both must be present. Tolerance is not synonomous with capitulation. We are to speak the truth in a loving and respectful way, neither giving in to the agnostic claims of subjectivity (claiming it is impossible to know any truth because it is not objectively viewed), nor claiming we have the pure, unadultered perspective on things.
It most definitely seems to be a tight rope act sometimes. The damage of falling on either side of the line, and the potential for damage therein, is great.
I found the author of the above post to be… I don’t know. I question his motives, but he is definitely on to something. I think your response, however, was DEAD on. Very well put.
thanks man. I was wondering what you thought because I felt a little bit uncomfortable with his wording. It seemed a little too gung-ho. Don’t get me wrong…we should be gung-ho about sharing the Gospel…it really is good news for the nations…but it seemed a little too much like those who wouldn’t say they were followers of Jesus were being talked about like they were projects to be strategized over. I’m not down with that. Just wondered what you thought. peace
Well, in Stoppard’s play, they have left accounts. Journals, letters, and ledgers documenting all kinds of things. Records books and so on. and even all that is misinterpreted. Some of it is fabricated, some of it is poorly written, some of it is slang or jokes that cannot be interpreted, and so on.
So he does account for that.
he is definitely modern chronologically. Arcadia was written in the early 90’s.
John,
Yeah, his wording was why I was suspicious of his intent. He definitely seemed a bit combative and overemphasizing truth at the expense of love. An understanding of WHY all that happens would go a long way. Being angry/frustrated at a stituation you know is happening doesn’t solve anything. Understanding does.
Kyle,
Interesting. Is he making a direct critique on scripture? I may have to look that up and check it out myself. It seems there are a few parallels…
right on Brad…I wish everyone was as smart as we were…or are…whatever ..
So I was surfing around, found De-Conversion, and then found this site…interesting. The struggle through modernism you are experiencing is an odd one and to be honest it never ends…and will never end.
As for this creedal statement by the Gospels Coalition, I must say I am very discouraged.
Truth as correspondence to reality, what does that even mean? Arguing for a correspondence theory of truth will always place Christianity at odds with science, and will always lead certain scientists to claim that if God belongs to objective reality then there should be evidence of God. However, Christians moan and complain when scientists say this because they demand special status for divinity, and it is not given, nor should it be.
The problem with the Gospel Coalitions statement is that it replaces the concept of “Reason” with “Holy Spirit.” The function/role of human reason in a modernist worldview is an aid in discovering and understanding objective truth about the world. Truth that is verifiable, again, and again (hence empiricism). The function/role of the Holy Spirit in the words of this creed: “the Holy Spirit…indwells us so that we who have been made in the image of God can receive and understand the words of Scripture revealed by God, and grasp that Scripture’s truths correspond to reality.”
So the function of the HS here is analogous to reason, to help us understand and to grasp (albeit a fragile grasp) that the things we see or experience correspond to reality. I have a problem with this, and I think that as long as “reason” and the “holy spirit” are touted in such a way there will never be a resolution of the deadlock between religion and science that we are now experiencing. They are too similar, they do try to answer the same questions, they are both trying to create meaning, and they are competing worldviews. Science is not syncretistic, Christianity is not syncretistic: Choose your mediator of knowledge, reason or the HS.
But what is reality? That is my main question. I think there needs to be a distinction made between Real and reality. I think reality is a mediator of the Real, and because of that the Real is never fully present yet it continues to exert its efficacy upon us, e.g. the Real of a traumatic experience. So in this view reality is the symbolic network and we can only ever have incomplete access to such a network (subjectivity).
Another way to read this statment by the Gospel Coalition is that the Holy Spirit does not actually give us access to truth but as it says the HS is there to help us “grasp that Scripture’s truths correspond to reality.” Rather than help us understand truth itself, or give us access to the Absolute the HS is there to help us understand that what scripture is talking about is reality, nothing else. It doesn’t give us access to reality, but it helps us understand that somewhere within the narrative, within the words, and performances of scripture, there is some kind of hard kernel that is linked to reality.
I also find that reading somewhat troublesome.
Should we just admit that the new creedo of scripture should be not be that its inerrancy lays in its absolute correspondence to reality but rather it lays in its absolute correspondence to subjectivity, to its radical incompleteness?
Any thoughts?
Logan,
Thanks for stopping by. I have found myself on De-Conversion more than my own blog here lately, as those contributors have a knack for posing some tough and very interesting questions.
In regards to reason vs. the Holy Spirit:
The authors are making some assumptions as to who is viewing this doctrinal statement. One of them is an understanding of where they are in regards to the Holy Spirit. The HS is not just another form of reaching understanding in opposition to reason, but a “person” of God. That said, it is not mutually exclusive with reason. In my personal experience, the HS often uses reason to speak to us or create understanding. Paul is described in the book of Acts as “going to the synagogues and reasoning with the Jews” to “prove that Jesus is the (promised messiah).” Reason is not divorced from the HS.
We are not solely thinking beings. We are reactionary, emotional, and spiritual in varying degrees. The modernist fallacy and struggle I have with it, is that it divorces reason from this holistic perspective. To be “merely” thinking beings is to rob us of great potential as human beings. Even the most rational person can still appreciate art, music, and/or sculpture, yet reason is not the mode of this appreciation. There is more to us than that.
In short, to operate on reason alone will not include the HS, but discerning through the HS most definitely includes reason. As proof of this, you should check out the line up and the brains on the Gospel Coalition. They are very intelligent, rational people.
In regards to reality:
I am a little fuzzy with what you are trying tos ay with this…. Kyle, a regular on here, actually said it best by stating the difference between “human truths” and “the truth.” The way he described “human truths” sounds a lot like your “Real,” in that it is the aspects of life in general that speak to our hearts and impart meaning. My postulation was that the two are not mutually exclusive, and that human truths are sourced in, and cannot be divorced from, the truth. Again, barring a little more explanation from you, that may or may not answer that question. Sorry I couldn’t speak to it more.
You said,
“Should we just admit that the new creedo of scripture should be not be that its inerrancy lays in its absolute correspondence to reality but rather it lays in its absolute correspondence to subjectivity, to its radical incompleteness?”
Hrmm…. in short…. no. See parts 3 and 4 of this series for a slightly better explanation. I think that the following points from the vision for ministry document they lay out will answer those questions more fully. From where I’m sitting I would say that, even though the accounts of scripture are subjective perspectives of the absolute, objective truth, they are this way becuase it is NECESSARY for us to understand them.
If, for example, God had revealed Himself in scripture 100% objectively, there would be some kind of heavenly, trinitarian language involved, using words we would never understand, describing things we can’t even see. Our minds literally would not be able to comprehend it. It is subjective BECAUSE we NEED it to understand what He is trynig to tell us about Himself. Yes, it is incomplete in the sense that reading a biography of your mother does not do anything to help you understand who she is when compared to knowing her personally. (And this is where doctrine concerning the HS plays a key role in having a relationship with God on this side of heaven, but that is a whole other post…
However, “incomplete” does NOT imply “unsufficient.” That is a KEY distinction that I will stand very firm upon.
Thanks again for taking the time to read and comment. I hope this made my writing a little more clear. Any return thoughts?